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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-12-2018, 03:07 PM Thread Starter
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CVT Dipstick?

I was looking over the engine layout and see what I thought looked to be a dipstick into the transmission. Roughly about 1/4 way along from the right hand side of the engine bay when standing in front of the engine. It didn't want to pull out though. Is this the CVT fluid dipstick and how is it retained in the tube? I didn't want to force anything, car only has 140 miles on it.
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-12-2018, 09:31 PM
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Even though I have not verified by filling, I believe it's the tube to fill the transmission. There is no dipstick to measure fluid level. Just a filler cap covering the tube. I've been looking into this as well. I ordered a dipstick (31086-4AJ0A) which was for the NV200 Taxi. (Uses the same engine and transmission as the RS) BUT when I inserted it in the tube, I did not get a fluid reading. This made me a little apprehensive. Must go the dealer and ask questions before I proceed further. (There's another model (31086-3TA1A) which may be the right dip stick.) BTW, the way you remove this cap is to put a small screwdriver in from top and move a little plastic tap inside the cap to the right. Hard to explain but it comes out easy if you do this. I'll do a 3X drain and fill somewhere around 20K mi. I'm really curious what kind of metal shavings could in the pan/magnets as this is a CVT. A conventional transmission will have a lot of metal shavings on the magnets after 20-30k mi. and you will see fine metal particles in the transmission fluid. Nothing to worry quite yet as our RS only has 5k mi. I'll know more in the future. Hope this helps. Bill
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That Nissan NS-3 cvt fluid is about $20 per quart. I watched some youtube videos for the changing cvt fluid in an Altima and a Juke and a drain and fill takes about 4-5 quarts. A 3x drain/fill will get pretty pricey. And 20k miles is pretty early. Owners manual only calls for inspection and maybe change at 60k miles (100k km) if necessary.

I saw one youtube suggestion to make a dipstick out of a coat hanger. Snake it down until it hits bottom of pan and mark off top of wire to know total depth from dipstick hole and then mark off at fluid line on the end to figure out baseline. Just have to assume it was properly filled in first place. You can then check the fluid level and quality periodically. The fresh fluid looks blue. As it ages, it gets very dark. I assume if it goes bad, it may smell burnt, but by then there may be damage.

Ours is still too new to worry about it (so says the guy who started a cvt reliabilty thread...). I'll check colour, level and smell periodically. I may do a 50k km (30k miles) change depending upon warranty status. (I like easy to remember OCIs). If there is a defect, i would prefer that it manifest itself during warranty so it can be fixed. A fluid change may mask any problem temporarily.

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post #4 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-13-2018, 11:29 PM
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Without knowing and seeing if the dealer has a service dipstick I'm a little apprehensive now about sticking anything down the filling tube. (The dipstick I bought didn't reach the fluid in the pan.) Next time I'm at the dealer I'll ask about this and if there is a dealer service dipstick I'll compare it (length wise) to the one I bought. From what I've read on the internet (perhaps on the previous CVT generation) , there's an "overfill" plug as well. If one does a drain and fill, one has to assume the factory put the correct amount in and there was no leakage over time. Last drain and fill I did was on my Golf just under 30k miles. About 9+ Qt total for the 3X drain/fill and I did drop the pan/cleaned the magnets and put in new strainer. I did not realize 4-5 Qts would come out from the CVT. So yes, it will be costly! (Around $11 a qt. from a Nissan dealer online.) In my situation, since we only put about 5k miles per yr. on the car, this won't be done till the warranty is over. But I would have really liked to have a dipstick now to establish a baseline of the cold/hot reading. I do believe it's best to do an early fluid exchange to get any breaking in particles/shavings out and have fresh new fluid in.
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post #5 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-14-2018, 01:35 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the responses. I'll take a look at the cap retainer just so I know how it comes off. I've tried in the past on torque convertor transmissions to change the fluid out at 30 to 35K or so. I do have one of these, which may or may not make the job easier if I do it myself when the time comes.



https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...t_390306_39030


With that said I've had mixed results in that on some vehicles the flexi tube gets stopped before it reaches the sump whilst on others it will suck the sump 'bone dry'. It's quite a ways off before a transmission fluid change but I just like to educate myself. Hoping for many years reliable service from the new addition.



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Found this on the net, albeit for Rogue 2016. for the CVT fluid drain....maybe a dealer job....if they can be trusted. Tried to attach the manual but file is too big. They use the overflow plug to put the new fluid in. I'm assuming vehicle will need to be level...so putting it on ramps may not be a good idea. You would have to be certain you could put back what you drained out, not sure if vehicle angle would affect the replenishment process.



Replacement INFOID:0000000012428197
CAUTION:
• Always use shop paper. Never use shop cloth.
• Replace a drain plug gasket with new ones at the final stage of the operation when installing.
• Use caution when looking into the drain hole as there is a risk of dripping fluid entering the eye.
• After replacement, always perform CVT fluid leakage check.
1. Select “Data Monitor” in “TRANSMISSION” using CONSULT.
2. Select “FLUID TEMP” and confirm that the CVT fluid temperature is 40°C (104°F) or less.
3. Check that the selector lever is in the “P” position, then completely engage the parking brake.
4. Lift up the vehicle.
5. Remove the drain plug and drain the CVT fluid from the oil pan. Refer to TM-205, "Exploded View".
6. Install the drain plug to oil pan.
CAUTION:
Drain plug gasket use the old one.
7. Remove the overflow plug from converter housing.
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Recommended fluid and fluid capacity : Refer to TM-228, "General Specification".
: Vehicle front
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Revision: September 2015 2016 Rogue NAM
TM-190
< PERIODIC MAINTENANCE > [CVT: RE0F10D]
CVT FLUID
8. Install the charging pipe set (KV311039S0) (A) into the overflow
plug hole.
CAUTION:
Tighten the charging pipe by hand.
9. Install the ATF changer hose (B) to the charging pipe.
CAUTION:
Press the ATF changer hose all the way onto the charging
pipe until it stops.
10. Fill approximately 3 liter (3-1/8 US qt, 2-5/8 lmp qt) of the CVT
fluid.
11. Remove the ATF changer hose and charging pipe, then install
the overflow plug.
NOTE:
Perform this work quickly because CVT fluid leaks.
12. Lift down the vehicle.
13. Start the engine.
14. While depressing the brake pedal, shift the selector lever to the entire position from “P” to “L”, and shift it
to the “P” position.
NOTE:
Hold the lever at each position for 5 seconds.
15. Check that the CONSULT “Data Monitor” in “FLUID TEMP” is 35°C (95°F) to 45°C (113°F).
16. Stop the engine.
17. Lift up the vehicle.
18. Remove the drain plug, and then drain CVT fluid from oil pan.
19. Repeat steps 8 to 18 (one time).
20. Tighten the drain plug to the specified torque. Refer to TM-205, "Exploded View".
21. Remove the overflow plug.
22. Install the charging pipe set (KV311039S0) into the overflow plug hole.
CAUTION:
Tighten the charging pipe by hand.
23. Install the ATF changer hose to the charging pipe.
CAUTION:
Press the ATF changer hose all the way onto the charging pipe until it stops.
24. Fill approximately 3 liter (3-1/8 US qt, 2-5/8 lmp qt) of the CVT fluid.
25. Remove the ATF changer hose and charging pipe, then install the overflow plug.
NOTE:
Perform this work quickly because CVT fluid leaks.
26. Lift down the vehicle.
27. Start the engine.
28. While depressing the brake pedal, shift the selector lever to the entire position from “P” to “L”, and shift it
to the “P” position.
NOTE:
Hold the lever at each position for 5 seconds.
29. Check that the CONSULT “Data Monitor” in “FLUID TEMP” is 35°C (95°F) to 45°C (113°F).
30. Lift up the vehicle.
31. Remove the overflow plug and confirm that the CVT fluid is drained from the overflow plug hole.
CAUTION:
Perform this work with the vehicle idling.
NOTE:
If the CVT fluid is not drained, refer to “Adjustment” and refill with the CVT fluid.
32. When the flow of CVT fluid slows to a drip, tighten the overflow plug to the specified torque. Refer to TM-
205, "Exploded View".
CAUTION:
Never reuse O-ring.
33. Lift down the vehicle.
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Revision: September 2015 2016 Rogue NAM
CVT FLUID
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34. Select “Data Monitor” in “TRANSMISSION” using CONSULT.
35. Select “CONFORM CVTF DETERIORTN”.
36. Select “Erase”.
37. Stop the engine.
Adjustment INFOID:0000000012428198
CAUTION:
• During adjustment of the CVT fluid level, check CONSULT so that the oil temperature may be maintained
from 35 to 45°C (95 to 113°F).
• Maintain specified engine idle speed during CVT fluid level adjustment. Refer to EC-504, "Idle
Speed".
• Use caution when looking into the drain hole as there is a risk of dripping fluid entering the eye.
1. Check that the selector lever is in the “P” position, then completely engage the parking brake.
2. Start the engine.
3. Adjust the CVT fluid temperature to be approximately 40°C (104°F).
NOTE:
The CVT fluid is largely affected by temperature. Therefore be sure to use CONSULT and check the
“FLUID TEMP” under “TRANSMISSION” in “Data Monitor” while adjusting.
4. While depressing the brake pedal, shift the selector lever to the entire position from “P” to “L”, and shift it
to the “P” position.
NOTE:
Hold the lever at each position for 5 seconds.
5. Lift up the vehicle.
6. Check that there is no CVT fluid leakage.
7. Remove the overflow plug from converter housing.
8. Install the charging pipe set (KV311039S0) (A) into the overflow
plug hole.
CAUTION:
Tighten the charging pipe by hand.
9. Install the ATF changer hose (B) to the charging pipe.
CAUTION:
Press the ATF changer hose all the way onto the charging
pipe until it stops.
10. Fill approximately 0.5 liter (1/2 US qt, 1/2 lmp qt) of the CVT
fluid.
11. Remove the ATF changer hose from the charging pipe, and
check that the CVT fluid drains out from the charging pipe. If it
does not drain out, perform charging again.
CAUTION:
Perform this work with the vehicle idling.
12. When the flow of CVT fluid slows to a drip, remove the charging pipe from the converter housing.
13. Tighten the overflow plug to the specified torque. Refer to TM-205, "Exploded View".
CAUTION:
Recommended fluid and fluid capacity : Refer to TM-228, "General Specification".
: Vehicle front
JSDIA3714ZZ
JSDIA3713ZZ
Revision: September 2015 2016 Rogue NAM
TM-192
< PERIODIC MAINTENANCE > [CVT: RE0F10D]
CVT FLUID
Never reuse O-ring.
14. Lift down the vehicle.
15. Stop the engine.
Revision:
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Thanks for posting this Iceflow! From what I can gather from this: (1) Certain temp (2) Shift through gears, P to L (3) car level (4) 2X drain and fill and (5) 3 1/4 Qt. refill and possibly adding another 1/2 qt. to make sure it "drips" through overflow plug. All these steps are important. Having the car on ramps will not be level so checking the overflow plug will not be accurate. I believe if one assumes the factory put the correct amount in, just put in what comes out whether cold or hot. It is imperative to get an actual dipstick now while the car is new to get a baseline reading on the fluid level. (I'll visit the dealer next week and see what they say and look into that other dipstick I mentioned in previous post. Also, one is assuming a dipstick will reach the fluid in the pan. What if this is not the case?) Quite honestly, I very highly doubt the dealer will go through that complete procedure. (They may just shift through gears, see about temp and then just drain/refill and check the overflow plug.) My VW had somewhat the same procedure and it is an imprecise measure. Steady stream....slow drip out of overfill plug. VW had refill stove pipe. The key is the temp and shifting through the gears P to L. I don't believe I'm to able to crawl under the car w/o lifting to check this overfill plug, so...build and put down 2" x 12" boards doubled up on the four corners, drive up on these boards and the car will be higher off the ground to do this check. Use jack stands for safety. No problem at all. This doesn't seem like a too hard of a procedure. Nissan along w/all these other car makers should have installed a dipstick!!! What if you have a small leak? Overtime/miles who knows how much fluid could be lost and you'd never know! (Very unlikely I'm sure but...) There's also a transmission filter! I'm sure this has to be changed at some point you would think? Our cars will run forever will all this love and attention! (Unless we screw something up... We won't. But if you really trust the dealer and they really use 6-7 Qts of genuine Nissan NS-3 fluid and charge $200-250 that seems reasonable. Will post again after dealer visit.
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Yes, I would definitely want a dipstick to get a baseline and then just drain whatever comes out of the oil pan and replace that amount through the dipstick tube. Let us know how you go on with the dealer inquiries on a suitable dipstick. I'm also going to email a dealer called Conyers Nissan. They supply a few different oil change kits and also the CVT fluid on Amazon so maybe they would know about the possibility of getting a dipstick. If the dealer charges 250 that's probably not too bad, but I'd still like to do this myself at a 25K interval. For me though it will depend upon whether I can get a dipstick to set a baseline start point. Did any Rogue Sport model have a dipstick on previous years?
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I've been poking around on the net for p/n 31086-3TA1A and what I'm seeing are two prices...about $5 or about $17.

$5 seems very low for a dip stick and though several $5 sites show it as the complete dipstick on the parts diagram there are others that show it as just the plastic cap. Here's one
https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts...vel-310863ta1a


Amazon is showing a $17 version, no pic unfortunately, with a dealer called "Modern Nissan" . I will email them and ask if this is a real dipstick or just a plastic cap.
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Hmmm, here's the response from Modern Nissan, they had the $17 'version' on Amazon but it looks like that is just a plastic cap also. I would need a baseline level start point before attempting anything. Unless they have changed the pan profile I would think that a dipstick from a previous 2 litre would work. One other thought....is the 2 litre sold in other parts of the world....and do they come with dipstick?


"It is just the plastic cap. A lot of the newer CVT transmissions do not have dipsticks."
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